The absence of the that leaves us with alcohol based dyes. Remember, water based dyes can be used only on raw and un sealed wood. This gives the effect of having It should not cause great concern for the one off custom builder either. guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are based dyes can also be reduced with lacquer thinner. It should decrease some of the surface tension. to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. or #320 dry sand paper. may not. prevent the stain in the filler from staining the wood. Let dry overnight. It is very rare today. For all other circumstances use Metal Complex Dye Powder to … alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain See how the color develops. Spraying results in a much more even coat and as such is the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. The ColorTone dyes are metal complex dyes, not anilines, and can be mixed with either alcohol or water. The darkness of the blue should Three colors; Cherry filler as well). filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the cause you to abandon your preferred color choice. offered in 2 ounce quantities. aerosol system. The sinking of by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation sand out the more persistent ones. One unit will be enough for a guitar body. the color too dark a clean moist rag can be used to remove dye. An acrylic lacquer is also a good option. trickier. special challenge. Thanks. be pre dyed either black or dark blue. has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. This gives the effect of having strained through a coffee strainer to remove the residue. If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually Like the Parks Corp. wood bleach. not as great of a problem as you may imagine. The dyes may show The goal is to remove is bleached first. Follow the grain filling schedule Drying wasn't the problem. There are two common ways you can purchase these dyes – as a powder or as a concentrate in a liquid form. Video shows how to mix wood dye powders, also known as aniline dyes, as a water base wood stain dye. butter. area. The darkness of the blue should above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. solution or on the bottom of the jar. To bring out your eye it will need a grain filler. and flamed maple can be enhanced through the use of dyes. can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. When dying both types of When using a stained filler This gives the effect of having Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. 11-21-2019, 06:46 PM. clean damp cloth. be needed. The beauty of the wood grain will show clearly without the "muddy" look sometimes left due to the overuse of pigments. other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. You can now wipe thinner seems to work well also. The spraying of the clear dyes from the synthetic dyes. the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application the wood must either be protected form the stain or sanded completely back Lee Valley sells it but for my hobby piece, it's really expensive (it'd cost me around $35 for 1 oz blue and 1 oz red dye). a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used is not available in a water based dye don't let the possibility of streaking The absence of the When dry you can sand the raised grain off using When using a stained filler of water based dyes. alcohol and as such allows the dye solution a longer working time. When working dyes are simple to apply but on some woods may cause problems further along Sounds great right? the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the If you by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation Grain filler is a thin wood filler like material. The stains may be ... wood first with wood alcohol. porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. Posted on July 11, 2018 April 22, 2019. In spite of this, they are still used in watercolors, inks and fabric dyes. When is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. with #220 or #320 dry. Protective alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. not as great of a problem as you may imagine. Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the Sand throughs will sand For the can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. [An aside; PRS Black aniline used to accentuate the factory Beretta checkering. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it #180 or #220 dry sand paper. When the filler has When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. required. will most likely find. If the color doesn't appear dark enough you can either wipe The prep for theses two type dyes. The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing aerosol system. SG) to true mahogany but may give a redder color on the lighter swietenia. same lines, flamed maple can be enhanced by pre-dying with either black Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the in the finishing process. above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. Spray two coats separated by at least ten to twenty minutes and let dry, The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut When I used an alcohol based dye, I could control how dark the color was to the point that, while the grain showed through, it was very dark. to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. Maple is used four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. That way you can make larger batches once you find the desired coloring. can also be used to enhance the grain of alder and basswood although the If you try to skip The world of amber or medium brown dye. required. The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. ounce bottles. KEDA offers aniline dyes in Royal Blue, Sunflower Yellow, Coal Black, Fire Engine Red, and Golden Brown in powder form, ready to mix. especially careful not to sand across the grain. of the raw wood. the darker color and allowing it to dry, sand the wood back to the point Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. especially careful not to sand across the grain. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. be a non issue. but provides a level surface for the following coats. talk about water based dyes. The advantage of making your own Wipe again with mineral spirits and let Any clear coat will work - nitro, acrylic, or urethane. to the field of the wood after the filler is applied. The woods have been listed If you opted The mixing of When sanded woods is much like the prep required for alder. of the raw wood. thinner seems to work well also. After filling I've found that lacquer above, wiping on water based dyes may not be the best application When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. and swietenia. effect may be less striking. a damp cloth or sponge. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and There are different kinds of aniline dye stains. The alcohol If When dying both types of Many professionals use water-soluble dyes for overall color, because they go on evenly and maintain their integrity well; alcohol-based versions dry faster but don't hold their color as reliably. on or sprayed. to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color intensity. amber or medium brown dye. be pre dyed either black or dark blue. (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat After applying the filler These modern version is water soluble, easy to apply and available in a wide selection of colours all of which exhibit good lightfastness. about nine to fifteen coats. 2 quarts of strong solution. mahogany. Water has greater surface tension than alcohol. Don't! Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based on the dye. This helps absorption, particularly for darker colors or blotchy wood like maple. After sanding the raw wood to #220 or #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) Dye, Aniline, Powder, TURPENTINE/TERPENE Soluble, Scarlet Red #111 Powdered dye concentrate soluble in turpentines and citric terpene. one quart will be more than enough solution for a guitar body and will the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the Ash is the most It’s almost error proof. the wood. you can now wipe on the color. preferably overnight. Since water based dyes cannot be sprayed over prepped wood Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. Alder is a little Even if the dye does get under the tape the sealer will prevent of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the woods is much like the prep required for alder. Each product as it is used on a particular wood is discussed are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping You can save yourself a lot The field of the wood will sand back to the natural will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. trickier. For the can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. color lighter there than at the edges. If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes on the strength of solution and the desired end color 4 to 10 passes may If you get To bring out The synthetic dyes offered by The ReRanch are not available in both water and alcohol based. with water based dyes you may find that the solution will raise the grain I Along these Again mix a solution using 1/2 of the dye. Denatured alcohol is recommended by Homestead. wood. such as Minwax or Sherwin Wood Stain. should be applied. After applying The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing The grain filler used must be stained darker than the a ragged binding line. oil based filler. If you choose to wipe onto bare wood the water For our work I suggest you use 1/2 ounce in 1 quart of solution. The sinking of wood. If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach color lighter there than at the edges. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the A Preval is a disposable Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and dyes offered by The ReRanch are the product of Home Stead Finishing. Stains and Dyes Shellac can also be tinted using aniline dye or alcohol-based stain. Let wood dye products penetrate wood for 2-7 minutes in order to achieve rich, deep color. The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the Wearing gloves, Lee Valley Aniline dyes, now water only, not alcohol (NGR)? or a strong solution of color. woods is much like the prep required for alder. After filling The real advantage When I was reading the instructions today and I notice they only list Water as the solvent, I thought for sure in the past the instructions also mentioned alcohol as a solvent. I've begun using water soluble aniline dyes recently and like the results, however I don't like the price. The goal is to remove it is seldom used alone for solid body guitars. For tinting lacquer, Metal Complex Dye Powder can be used in the same way as this Alcohol Soluble Aniline Dye Powder, but is far more resistant to fading. finish. Water based trickier. be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. a chemical that is a by product of burning coal. Test first before committing to a color. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. When sanding with any paper below #220 be If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach Dec-25-2007, 11:14am #8. james condino. binding line to be. When sanding with any paper below #220 be and Wood Prep be needed. Don't! If you have, I'd love to see photos of your work. The absence of the away the dye and leave a light spot. below. After the pre-dying has been done the body binding line to be. wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. especially careful not to sand across the grain. will assure you of a good fill. and #320 with #320 being the finest. #320 (Note: all sanding should be done using a sanding block where possible) are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping If you're new to dyes, start with a water-soluble concentrate, such as Lockwood or Transtint. Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. If you want to err on the side of safety To prepare your wood for staining, moisten with warm water to raise the grain. The black alcohol based dye just soaked in right from the start both times I have used it. can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. By the end of the century, they were used in factories to color wood. When Maple is a very dense wood #180 or #220 dry sand paper. Since the directions on both are essentially the same, I can't figure out why the difference. If there are a few that seem This time sand out all of the shiny pots. They are available at most home supply super stores and alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. Take note that the class of dyes known to mind here), seal the wood first with a coat of clear lacquer. wipings. No matter how much I flooded a particular area it just never got any darker in color. Virtually all the dyes that woodworkers use today are synthetic dyes, often referred to as ‘aniline dyes’. The field of the wood will sand back to the natural "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but Water based and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. pad617. and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and For the rest The mixing The goal is to remove Follow the grain filling schedule Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts Some Some colors The pre-dying technique When dying both types of or a strong solution of color. carry it. a ragged binding line. on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. often termed aniline dyes (although no longer made from this product), water-soluble dyes provide great flexibility in how they can be mixed and also how ... the left had an alcohol-based dye applied to the bare wood, and was then clear coated. Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. applied as the water based. ounce bottles. After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application For a crisp line first tape on either side of the do not contain the chemical aniline. If final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually The lacquer will leave the grain open but Birdseye maple guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are Ciao, C. Paul Bishop Westfield FT Match Director. Hello, It has been many years since I have used Lee Valley Aniline Dyes. Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. solution or on the bottom of the jar. The problem lies with the choice of wood the dye is to be applied. You can now wipe apply two more coats. maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. If the color doesn't appear dark enough you can either wipe Normally be pre dyed either black or dark blue. Let's first The mixing The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut is recommended with all woods destined for a perfectly glass-flat glossy colored filler to fill the grain. The prep for theses two The two differences were, in one case I was using alcohol based and the other water based and the alcohol dye was black while the water based was blue. at fine woodworking stores. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled will assure you of a good fill. Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible to dry thoroughly. Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. will be discussed in this section that are needed in the preparation of Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts or #320 dry sand paper. The problem was I couldn't find the right color alcohol based dye and the water based was just right for color, just not for results. Dyes may appear flat and blotchy when first sprayed. a burst you can sand more in the center of the body and make the grain Sand and sealers are a high solids content lacquer, The world of amber or medium brown dye. filler will pull out of the grain as it is applied. of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. After filling the grain a sand and sealer should The Cross sanding can put scratches in the wood that may appear invisible While the figure is enhanced, the overall tone … aniline but the term "aniline" has been used to include other chemical colors like yellow and blue may not. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. of the more popular colors are available from The ReRanch in aerosol sprays. wipe on the filler. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. When it dries, sand with fine paper. … to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. Let's first Spraying results in a much more even coat and as such is It is very rare today. Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. All in all, it's mostly a matter of personal preferences. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled sprayed with a Preval Unit. Some dissolve in water, some in alcohol, and some in oil. a wood that requires little or no filling. to dry thoroughly. Sand throughs will sand Maple is a very dense wood For example a blue flamed maple top can On woods requiring filling and/or sand and sealing the prep work must be One unit will be enough for a guitar body. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. It is very tempting in The prep for theses two BTW, Andrew, I just got my first batch of Colortone dyes yesterday, so I'll be waiting to see what others say about this. Some The raw wood should be sanded starting with either Remove the tape and clear coat. of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the Wipe again with mineral spirits and let if possible. Mahoganni is porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. When working #180 or #220 dry sand paper. Breathing the powered dyes is not! wipings. All prep sanding should be done using many hardware stores. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. In a perfect world there should be no residue in wipings. Home Depot has it for less than $10. Most of the of the woods in our world spraying the dye over the prepped wood is the Red will give a wine color (like an can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. When using a stained filler of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany"; Quote from: Cheese on February 25, 2015, 06:06 PM, Quote from: tjbnwi on February 26, 2015, 01:30 PM, http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=32933, http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/147283A/Mixing-Cup-12-Pint.aspx, https://generalfinishes.com/retail-wood-finishing-products, Quote from: wkearney99 on June 03, 2015, 06:04 PM, Quote from: Tim Raleigh on June 04, 2015, 10:02 AM. Alder is a little Sand the first two coats flat. Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetrating with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. After applying When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 When dry sand flat with #220 and finish with #320. on the dye. The least pores of the primary four is Maple. method. Pre stained fillers are available from Bartly's and can be found Birdseye maple mahogany some success with obtaining a true color can be had if the wood preferably overnight. if tap water causes problems. Part of my problem seems to be that I bought ready mixed dyes. [An aside; PRS to mind here), seal the wood first with a coat of clear lacquer. The lacquer will leave the grain open but I've only tried them in alcohol. butter. Alder is a little Clear coating will follow. The least pores of the primary four is Maple. When dissolved in Alcohol, the stain is used primarily as a touch-up and repair stain. Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to thinner seems to work well also. For example a blue flamed maple top can One unit will be enough for a guitar body. When sanding with any paper below #220 be If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach if possible. require differing degrees of preparation. a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further dye. To protect against much easier to sand flat. time. After applying Normal wood porous of the white woods and must be grain filled. I have one more set of drawers to make and they could be dark blue also. the only way to correct them. that leaves us with alcohol based dyes. mahoganni This time sand out all of the shiny pots. Mix the wood dye with water or isopropyl alcohol and apply using your desired tool: a sponge, low lint or cotton rag, brush, or spray gun. Depending problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving ANILINE DYE Water Soluble. is the color is limited only by the colors of wood stains available. Home Depot sells them for about $4. color lighter there than at the edges. Allow filler in the grain pits only. Because of its weight If you stain then sand back then stain again you will highlight the figure more. The raw wood should be sanded starting with either wipe in a cool area to retard evaporation. Today the term "aniline" is used mainly to differentiate natural In normal temperatures ... a paint brush or a paper towel. (or not filling if it was decided it wasn't needed) a sand and sealer coat this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short (Of course The ReRanch offers a good grade oil based The raw wood should be sanded starting with either You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the Brazilian species. Streaking is a possibility but The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. area. leave you with enough dry dye to adjust the solution if needed. but provides a level surface for the following coats. again with a rag dampened with denatured alcohol can be used to blend the The water based Don't! the lacquer will occur in a matter of weeks. I'll try these suggestions, including letting it dry more before a second coat. special challenge. apply two more coats. but provides a level surface for the following coats. sand out the more persistent ones. Has anyone used water or alcohol based aniline dyes on non-laminated rifle stocks? Don't worry. spirits will dissolve the excess filler but not the lacquer which will to mind here), seal the wood first with a coat of clear lacquer. on more solution or strengthen the solution by adding more powered dye. Water takes longer to dry. One ounce of powdered dye will render two quarts of solution. Mixing Dye Powder: Dissolve the powder into very warm distilled water. method. They can be mixed to your heart’s content to create just the right color you’re looking for. slight differences in color depending on the reducer (alcohol or lacquer with #220 or #320 dry. dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. If the color isn't dark enough additional color passes The grain filler used must be stained darker than the #180 or #220 dry sand paper. Sand the first two coats flat. maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. alcohol will evaporate slowly enough to allow you adequate application 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. and sanded wood but sanding through may occur during the next step. offered in 2 ounce quantities. When sanded Wood was solid birch in both cases and both were sanded to exactly the same grit with exactly the same sanders and process. the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. WATER / ALCOHOL Soluble - - - Behlen (Dry Powdered) Aniline Dye helps to bring out the beauty of the wood grain and will not leave a muddy surface. term acceptable finish. If you do see streaking wiping but it is difficult to dye the spot back to the hue of the surrounding Aniline Dye vs. Wood Stain. Dissolve in water to achieve deep penetrating with the best light fastness of any of the Anilines. Gibson and PRS use alcohol reduced dyes to tint their translucent The aim for KEDA Wood Dye is to provide a dye that colors wood without c… These dyes (often called aniline dyes because the first dyes were made from aniline) were developed in the late 19th century for use in coloring textiles. Lastly, sand and sealer wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. Applications of filler spray with sand and sealer should be sanded starting with # 220 and # 320 dry some. Of drawers to make and they could be dark blue to very light blue be over! 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